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INA149 PSRR

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Hi there,

let's go deep into INA149 :-)

There is defined PSRR (power supply rejection ratio) in the datasheet as 120 dB. Then we can see POSITIVE PSRR vs FREQUENCY graph at page 8.

Plots in figure 16 and 17 cover 10 100 kHz bandwidth. WHAT HAPPENS FOR f>100 kHz?

I've attached my schematics. Please see, I've used AD629 as a placeholder as I've found it in my library :-)

OK - what's my problem?

It looks like power supply noise propagates to the output signal. I use TRACO TEN 5-2422 with 100nF ceramic + 4.7uF elyc caps at output.

INA149 has 100nF ceramic close to +12 and -12V and GND. I can see > 1 MHz noise and spikes in power supply voltage.

Could you please comment PSRR paraameter of INA149? Does > 1 MHz power supply noise propagates to the output signal easy?

What's your recommendation to increase INA149 immunity to power supply noise?


INA149 grounding

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Hi there,

look at my design. (Note I use INA149, but have schematics with AD629 as a placeholder; don't be confused :-)

What's my concern?

Does INA149 works correctly with inputs floating as you see in my schematics? I've got high-side shunt for current measurement, expect > 200 V common voltage.

There is dirrect connection of shunt terminals to INA149 inputs.

Please, confirm that I don't need to ground  -IN or +IN input. My analogue ground is a middle of +/-12V TRACO ouput.

Thanks

Petr

Problem with INA826 and OPA333

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Hi all,

We intend to use INA826 and OPA333 for our design.

Goal: Convert input voltage from sensor (0V - 5V) to voltage for ADC (0V - 3.3V).

I use the TINA-TI tool to simulate the circuit:

The .TSC file: (Please visit the site to view this file)

1.Question with OPA333:

We get the input voltage for OPA333 is from 0V - 5V (from temperature sensors), with voltage divine resistors (2 resistors with value 1 kOhm) connected directly to output of OPA333, the output of OPA333 is just linear with input voltage from 0 - ~4.75V, with the input range >4.75V, the output of OPA333 is saturated at 4.75V (can not reach 5V as we expected)

Question1: How can we get the output of OPA333 is full (0V-5V)?

2. Question with INA826:

With the single supply +3.3VDC, the output of INA826 is just linear with input voltage from 0 - ~2.1V, according to formula Vout = G*(Vin+ - Vin-) and G=1.32. When input voltage from >2.1V to 2.5V, the output of INA826 is saturated at 2.76V (can not reach 3.3V as we desired).

Question2: How can we convert the input voltage for INA826 from (0V - 2.5V) to full (0V - 3.3V)?

Please help review and give us any better solution.

Thanks and Best Regards,

Hoang Manh

VFC110 internal resistance

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I'm disty of Japan.
I have some questions on VFC110.

****** Background ***************
My customer is evaluating VFC110 with the evaluation board which he designed.
He intend to change "fFS = 4MHz or 2MHz" by changing external components(RIN, Cos).
External components setting  are as follows.
・fFS=4MHz(VIN=10V): (RIN,Cos)=(25kΩ ,non-mounted)
・fFS=2MHz(VIN=10V): (RIN,Cos)=(34kΩ,56pF)
     *25kΩ(TYP) from data sheet P6, Figure1.

The result when he evaluated the VFC110 circuit with above conditions is as follows.
・fFS=4.7MHz(VIN=10V): (RIN,Cos)=(25kΩ ,non-mounted)
・fFS=2MHz(VIN=10V): (RIN,Cos)=(34kΩ,56pF)
   *the output frequency was 4.7MHz,it was different from expected value.

So, he measured internal resistance value between 1pin and 2pin.
Its value was about 34kΩ(6 samples).
When he evaluated it as RIN=34kΩ, the output frequency was about 4MHz(=fFS:VIN=10V).

****** Questions **********
Q1:Is the internal resistance value a little higher actually,though its value is mentioned 25kΩ±20%
       with the data sheet(P6 Figure1)?

Q2:He intend to design the value of external resistance(RIN) as 34kΩ.
       Is his understanding correct?

Best regards.

current loop with fast chaning dynamic load

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Hi Team,

I would like to ask if a current loop can drive a fast changing dynamic load. The load is switching from OPEN to a 2.5V LED in 300KHz frequency. Do you think if the current loop can work well? 

Customer use a current loop to drive a LED, but the LED need to be switching ON and OFF. 

the current loop is as below. and LED circuit is aslo as below\

This question involves the possibility of the transistors in a LMV774 Op-Amp latching in the event of an EOS, ESD, Transient, etc...

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To whomever reviews this post,

I had a question in regards to TI's LMV774 series op-amp. I cannot provide schematics, subsystems, etc because all of this information is disclosed.

I am trying to diagnose why an intermittent failure occurred in a 4-20mA transmitter. The output of the failed unit was pinned at a very low mA output. At the time of the failure, severe thunderstorms were present in the area. The unit was unplugged and then powered back on and the unit did not recover to it's normal operation. After opening up the device (a welded housing), I noticed the LMV774 Op-Amp on the PCB had a scorch mark on it's surface. This brown discoloration indicates that this part was overheated. Given the nature of the weather, I suppose the unit saw an ESD, Surge, etc. Since the unit operates through a current loop, it is not grounded. When I probed the LMV774 op-amp, I noticed the pin out voltages were correct. 

**Is it possible for an LMV774 op-amp's CMOS transistors to latch-up in the event of a transient or surge and not be damaged? Note: As soon as I probed the OP-AMP and discovered it was still functioning, I checked the overall output of the unit and it began functioning again. The output was no longer pinned and the unit resumed normal operation. Since the device is not grounded, perhaps by touching the PCB I grounded the Op-Amp's terminals and this dissipated the potential energy stored in the latched transistors?


I am trying to provide an explanation as to what caused the unit to fail. Since the failure was intermittent and not permanent, it is really hard to provide an explanation. Since the output was pinned at a specific output independent of the devices input, it leads me to believe that the OP-AMP was indeed latched.

My main question is whether these theories regarding why the unit failed are plausible. Essentially, is it possible for the LMV774 to latch up during the event of a transient or surge? If it can latch, does this mean that all of the pins are shorted to the negative terminal of the unit since no bias is applied to the transistors to change their state? When latched, can the Op-Amp self recover or does the unit need to be grounded to PE? Does this brown scorch mark indicate overheating do to a transient event or could this simply be from heat wave soldering?


It is very important whether this scenario is plausible so that a proper Engineering Report regarding this failure can be written for my customer. Although I cannot disclose information publicly, I would be more than willing to answer questions over the phone. I would actually prefer to discuss this issue over the phone with an engineer representing TI. The customer support can only answer questions regarding the datasheet. I was told the only way I can contact an engineer was through the E2E forum. Again this matter is urgent and any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Keith Oldano

(Electrical Engineering)

973-616-6938

XTR111 clarification of datasheet

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I have the following questions related to the XTR111 datasheet.  The intent of clarifying these questions is to document the expected accuracy of a system, which uses the XTR111 as a part of that system.  I have found other E2E threads that discuss linearity errors, in particular this one.  Your assistance is appreciated in addressing the questions below.

 

I need some help defining electrical characteristics in the XTR111 datasheet. The datasheet lists nonlinearity error (defined as Iout/Iset) as 0.02% of span, and then something called ‘span error’ (also defined as Iout/Iset, although with a different footnote).

 

First question : I would like to know what the definition of span error and nonlinearity errors are. It is not clear to me. My best guess is that span error is similar to a gain error, but I am not sure. Defining both nonlinearity and gain error for a digital device like a DAC makes sense. But I am not sure I understand it for an analog device like the XTR111. It seems like a gain error would be enough to specify the accuracy. So in essence, I do not think that I understand these terms as used for theXTR111 and would like clarification.

 

Second question : are the offset, nonlinearity, and span error in the XTR111 independent of each other? If they are independent, I could take the square root of the sum of squares to calculate the total error. If not, then I have to add them.

 

Third question : the 2011 datasheet, on page 13, states that the !EF flag is pulled up to 5V. I do not understand where the internal 5V comes from, I see nothing else in the datasheet that generates 5V. Is it pulled up to some other voltage like Vsp or Vregf, or is it really 5V?

tolerance of internal thin-film resistor

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Hello,

XTR110 data sheet P.8 says 20% of internal thin-film resistors have a absolute value tolerance.

Will this be a value including dispersion and the temperature properties of the devices?
And whether this absolute value tolerance up to 20% can be as above?
The customer uses Rext to do Extended span, but want you to tell it to estimate span error after the adjustment because an error occurs in correlation with internal resistor.

Regards,

k-hashi.


Power Supply Range for OPA27GU Precision Op-amp

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OPA27GU was designed as an integrator in the phase locked loop system to drive the VCO.

The current design is using +28V for Vcc and 0V Vee to ground. The datasheet is stating +/-22V for the absolute maximum rating power supply range for OPA27GU.

Please input if +28V is suitable for design.

 

Recommended circuit for Holter monitor (ECG)

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I'm working on a Holter monitor (ECG data acquisition) which I need to create for my school project. I'm still in the begging phase, so I didn't choose measuring circuit design yet, but I've extensively Googled on them though and found several promising solutions for ECG measuring. However, since I have very little previous experience and limited knowledge, it's really hard for me to compare and make a pros/cons for each circuit. On addition, Holter monitor will have to measure 24+ hours straight, so that brings a couple of limitations to circuit while most of them are designed only for real-time monitoring as far as I know.

One of Google results that I've managed to find so far was also TI Precision Designs: Verified Design Ultra Low Power, 18 bit Precision ECG Data Acquisition System. It really looks thorough, but I'd still rather ask you, since you are much more experienced than me, if that is the solution you would recommend to me or are there any better out there? What expenses am I actually looking at if I choose TI's PDF posted above?

ECG measurements will be acquired with microcontroller and forwarded to phone by Bluetooth protocol (I still don't know which microcontroller would be the best for my case though). The whole system will have to be as small possible while outputting appropriate ECG measurements. Since Holter monitors ECG for at least 24 hours straight, power consumption is another crucial factor here, so ideally 2 or 3 alkaline batteries should suffice.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Question on PGA281 datasheet

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Hello,

I am looking to PGA281 datasheet.

In there,  I cannot understand Figure 38.

If 8Vpp applied to the input, each VOP, VON will show 2Vpp. (I agree)

but, why differential VOUT will be 4Vpp? ( I cannot understand)

VOUT=VOP-VON, so, VOUT should be 2Vpp (3.5V-1.5V= 2V)

(G =1/4, so 8Vpp X 1/4 = 2Vpp)

Can anyone help me understand Figure 38?

Thank you for your help in advance.

Best Regards

HJ Jeong

PGA 309 EVM support

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Just received a PGA309EVM-USB.

It will not load "Model File Emulator File" as claimed in the User Guide. It only keeps the default "4wire_4p096_diode.txt" even though there are many other selections when the pop up window opens.  WHY??????  I want to use "Iout_4p096_diode.txt" since I configured the jumpers for a 4 - 20.  Selecting that option is not changing the "Model File Name" field in the "Set up Cal" screen.  I had hoped to create a setup then save it for later recall.

Overall this is very poorly documented PERIOD in the user guide on how really to get started, and I can't seem to find any other instruction or resources beyond the less than helpful user guide.

I have configured the jumpers jp9, jp10, and jp11 for 4 - 20 operation.  everything else is default.  I just want to emulate the sensor, use internal temp sensor, and then play with this thing virtually before I apply to the real world.

And is there anywhere where there are any video or other help for this? Only a few questions on the forum for this and then not for the eval system software, only the hardware part itself the kit is designed for.

The selected file doesn’t "take" and the selection remains as the default selection, no matter which Model File is chosen !!!!

OPA548 overheating with 1.75A load

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We are using OPA548(TO-220,Staggerd lead type) for driving load upto 2-3A. As per data sheet, OPA548 can sink and source current upto 5A to the load .We are sourcing current upto 1.75A to the load of 12V,21W bulb. Even then IC is getting overheated quickly when heat sink is also attached.We are connecting the circuit as per datasheet fig 14, in Non-inverting mode with gain of 6,Supply voltage & current- 35V,2A,input for Vin+ is 0-2V. Please tell the solution why the IC is getting overheated and how to overcome the overheating of IC.Please find the attached document for reference.(Please visit the site to view this file)

Pico to micro amp DDC

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Hi!

Maybe you guys can help me out on this. I have a 10pA to 10uA current that I would like to digitally read out from a large photodiode. The capacitance of the diode is a massive 10nF.

I was thinking about using the DDC112-114 for this, would they be suited for this range? What measurement times should I expect for detecting pico amp signals (how fast would I be able to detect a 10pA current)? 

Thanks!

Soren

Problem on XTR117 directly driven by current source

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Hi,  I am making 4-20mA circuit.

      output stage is xtr117 driven by 40uA zero + 0-160uA(current output from OP)..

     I found that it takes too much time(10 minutes or more) to back to stable 4mA output .

    40uA id coming from 3V and 75K(These are very accurate).

   Any explaination on this.

Thanks

Mike

 


TLC2272AIDR' ESD Spec

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Hi. Tiers.

I can't find out ESD Spec in TLC2272AIDR's datasheet.

What is the ESD Spec of TLC2272AIDR?

Please let me know ASAP.

Thanks.

INA326 and 100mV reference voltage (using LM111)

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Hi Pete el al,

In this topic: 

We are using the INA326 device, to convert range (0V-5V) to (0V-3.3V). And in this version, we decided to ignore the non-linear region of output INA326.

And for preparing the next one, I want to update the schematic, so we can fully convert (0V-5V) to (0.1V-3.3V).

1. Solution 1: I use a LM111 device for creating the low reference voltage, please see the simulation attached file and help give me advice or suggest me a better device.

(Please visit the site to view this file)

2. Solution 2: Can I supply the negave voltage for INA326 at V- pin, which means INA326 will be operated with +-5V, and the linear region of output will be widen. And the output will be linear in 0V-3.3V. Do you think this solution is okay for implement?

Thanks and Best Regards,

Hoang

Current sensor, 5 MHz -3dB bandwidth, 800V input Common Mode Voltage

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Hello,


Does TI have a current sensor (or current sense op amp) with 5MHz -3dB bandwidth and 800V input Common Mode Voltage?  I am trying to sense triangular shaped current at 500kHz (which has significant harmonics up to 5MHz).


Regards,

Nitish

Measuring 2.5uA threshold current

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Hi,

I would like to detect threhold current of 2.5uA, so i require a current shunt that has low input current. Is there any current shunt with voltage out put i can use? Also, due to mechanical constrain, my package cannot be more than 1mm height.

XTR300 sinking current source

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Dear Sir,

it is said XTR300 can work as +/-20mA current source, i can't find reference schematic for sinking current source from data sheet. Can you pls supply one for me?

thanks in advance.

 

regards

Hawk Tong

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